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11.3 calls to me..... why are your windows barricaded..... is this property suitable for living in......
The PLPD is a joke
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11.3 calls to me..... why are your windows barricaded..... is this property suitable for living in......
Why did dispatch get moved to Patrol command? Most of them has like 1 hour combined on dispatch
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As someone less experienced than you guys. How are people supposed to learn how to be a good police officer/dispatch? I do some things less than ideal, because i don't know better(the finicky details). Some shout at me IA (then never do it), some help me in LOOC about the more grey areas and i apologize and go my way. I would figure patrolling with a new one like me would help, but thats also hard to do. People don't seem keen on it. And sometimes 5 officers run around city without cars?? Tried asking dispatch. Don't care. Seems like an ineffective force? A sweater question is: Is it because people are afraid you have to write an OR? Thats the vibe i got from reading from your posts
I have also tried to do dispatch job both alone and with someone and its a bit hard and confusing what to do when you don't know who responds to what, because there is no communication and you have to deduce what people do by the map. I tried to do the things by the handbook, but then only 2/8 officers respond. And why isn't it possible for a dispatcher to make incidents open like the case when no dispatcher is on, so people can learn the role/the map/gui without interfering normal duty and without forcing dispatch comms right away? Then atleast one can make sure calls are getting responded to and having an overview of all incidents / maybe do CCTV.
I have also tried to do dispatch job both alone and with someone and its a bit hard and confusing what to do when you don't know who responds to what, because there is no communication and you have to deduce what people do by the map. I tried to do the things by the handbook, but then only 2/8 officers respond. And why isn't it possible for a dispatcher to make incidents open like the case when no dispatcher is on, so people can learn the role/the map/gui without interfering normal duty and without forcing dispatch comms right away? Then atleast one can make sure calls are getting responded to and having an overview of all incidents / maybe do CCTV.
Regarding your first paragraph I would say you learn a lot by just playing. You will get shouted at and will make mistakes but it’s not the end of the world. Definitely read through the handbook and policies on the plpd website. I’m sure if you ask people in game and on plpd.online about patrolling some will be willing to help. And if you’re unsure about anything you can always use gov chat to ask questions. No one’s gonna be mad at you for not knowing everything off the bat. I can definitely patrol with you some day soon if you’d like. Just send me a dm on the forums or plpd.online
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RE. dispatch- absolutely reach out to higher playtime dispatchers and most if not all would be more than happy to give tips.
While I retired from dispatch a while back my best tip would be to try to remove duplicates in an area i.e extra life alerts and add any details into boxes. Learning radio codes such as 10-3, code 3 through 6 and other vital codes help with faster communication, this myself I use codes even now as a cpl in patrol. And remember, while on as a dispatch, you are effectively a LT- use that leverage where needed to help manage the rank and file- don't be afraid to reach out to IA or command if certain officers refuse reasonable orders or disrespect protocol.
TL;DR: Bad attitude is either allowed or unknown, supervisor quality down, gonna write more IAs. Dispatch Command, being Patrol Command's duties, is due to a historical issue.
I have two main issues with the PLPD, which I will list below, but I wish to say that some reasons & ideas presented by others are quite correct and good. All evidence here is anecdotal & happened within the last 7 days.
Attitude & officers' identity:
Most noticeable when playing as other government jobs is that officers, of all ranks, display an incredibly poor attitude towards anyone not involved in their chain of command, or rather, not within the PLPD. Citizen and government employees are ordered around like it's nothing. Officers believe to often they can tell people whatever they want & expect them to follow. It gives a feeling of them trying to extort any kind of control over others, that they simply don't have & shows in this way, what kind of people often join the ranks. They join PLPD with the intention to control others, have power without a reason for it. Two examples of these that I had personally witnessed:
1. As a firefighter, arriving after a shootout, officers order -not ask- me to start CPR. Seeing as this is a reasonable request, I check different people for their pulse & start CPR on a more critical criminal. Two officers chose to tell me I should CPR the officers down & threaten me with murder charges should they die, not even checking anyone's pulse before. Ignoring them, we bickered about it for the whole duration of CPR, & before the medic made it to revive both the officer & the suspect. Even then, the officers tried to get the medic to revive the officer first, which was still not critical.
2. On another day, as Roadcrew, I responded to Main Street after an officer called for a clamped & illegally parked vehicle to be towed. I responded, prepared to tow & had the car on the hook when the owner came, requesting the vehicle to be unclamped so they could drive off, even offered to pay me. I found the request reasonable & decided to oblige, seeing how if the car is gone, the issue is dealt with. At that moment, a Sergeant & another officer interrupted, ordering me to impound the vehicle. When I asked why, the answer was solely that a Sergeant said so. I hence refused until they corrected, stating the car was involved in a crime & that was finally a reason I had to accept. Their goal was solely to punish the player, nothing else & the fact that I dared to question was enough for them to complain once again as I left.
These two are basic examples of officers abusing their powers - even some they don't have - to tr enact power over others. It has nothing to do with serve & protect, a basic conecpt officers should attempt to follow.
Supervisor quality:
Reading through the topic, I can only agree with the issue of the quality of higher ranks in the PLPD. It gives a bad example to other officers, offers no safety net against people beimg shiiter cops or shitter civilians. Those individuals should know their shit, lead by example, and take charge to ensure the best outcome for everyone, including officers, citizens & whoever else may be involved in a situation. But rather, I see Supervisors shutting down criticism, not & refusing accountability. And to make it clear, I mean only Supervisors. Officers to Corporals making such mistakes is, while not ideal, acceptable. Here are two examples:
1. As a road crew, officers asked me to repair their cars. I asked for 500 dollars from them, they obliged & I repaired their vehicle. Directly after, a Staff Sergeant asked for repairs as well. When asked for my pay, they scoffed, telling me I had to do it for free while still paying. I told them I doubt it, but would read up on it & the Staff Sergeant claimed it was a policy. An odd statement, considering for Roadcrew only, Rules & Laws apply. I checked after the situation was over, never finding any statement saying I had to repair anything for free. Telling the Staff Sergeant about it over /rc, I never got an answer, but it could have been easily missed, so I considered it done. It just showed that they not only did not know what applied to whom, but also how they tried to bullshit past their lack of knowledge.
2. As dispatcher, during a shootout at the office, I had assigned almost every officer, including a unit consisting of the only Supervisor, a Sergeant, & a Senior officer, both in heavy gear. From then on, I had only noticed the occasional life alert inside the building, managing other incidents & keeping medical staff ready for once safe. At one point, the Sergeant was unassigned themself wordlessly from the incident, leading to me asking for them twice over the radio & finally pinging them. They noticed, said ping & responded to me, asking why I had done that. I asked about the status of the shootout, which they seemed to have left. Their reason to leave was that sniping was now useless at the moment. My request that they return & take the lead of the still ongoing shoutout was promptly refused, leading to me declaring Code 6 and around 5 more officers dying. When telling them on government radio that I did disapprove of their action, they questioned my knowledge of their status as a sniper, which I did not care for, as they were the sole supervisor on duty. The same shift, a life alert from an officer flashed on my console, to which multiple officers responded & a medic. I checked the camera to confirm, the officer got shot. I took it upon myself to assign the Sergeant unit to the incident, assuming it would be obvious what their role would be in this case. They & their Senior officer, still both in heavy gear, did not see it my way & asked for the reason for the assignment. I then explained to them their status as the only Supervisor unit on duty & that I needed them to ensure a warrant was written. The idea was met with mockery from both officers, such as the Senior officer stating almost word for word: “Don't assign us to such things, we are not medics.” Their behaviour made me livid & I shortly after left service, considering hardly writing an AI on that. I decided the next day & after a good night's sleep, against it, choosing to only write one of I find issue with them again. This incident showed me how bad Supervisors not only make themselves look bad, but also are a terrible example to everyone else, showing a terrible attitude & disregard for duty can just be shown out open.
Personal development:
I have, since those things happened, chosen to start making AIs now on whatever I find done terribly by Supervisors. I concluded that this is the only way to be informed whether or not my beliefs are just not wanted by the PLPD, or if the PLPD simply is not aware of the individual's actions. And I urge you all to do the same.
Dispatch issue:
While not originally part of this, I wanted to add a word on Dispatching. I believe that putting Dispatch Command under Patrol Command is a mistake & nothing happening shows that. I also know why they went that way, as I used to be part of the problem. For years, different people took Command of Dispatch & the quality of many such people had often been non-satisfactory. I am unsure why this curse of Dispatching exists, but I understand that with the history of the division, the measure was an attempt to fix it. But in its current limbo state of not going on, it will only get worse. Removing Dispatching would be a mistake in my honest opinion, with a large new map now more than ever. Instead, the division should be rebuilt & its duties expanded, making it clear they are meant to be communications specialists & developing all communication tactics in the PLPD.
Thanks for reading this mess of thoughts.
I have two main issues with the PLPD, which I will list below, but I wish to say that some reasons & ideas presented by others are quite correct and good. All evidence here is anecdotal & happened within the last 7 days.
Attitude & officers' identity:
Most noticeable when playing as other government jobs is that officers, of all ranks, display an incredibly poor attitude towards anyone not involved in their chain of command, or rather, not within the PLPD. Citizen and government employees are ordered around like it's nothing. Officers believe to often they can tell people whatever they want & expect them to follow. It gives a feeling of them trying to extort any kind of control over others, that they simply don't have & shows in this way, what kind of people often join the ranks. They join PLPD with the intention to control others, have power without a reason for it. Two examples of these that I had personally witnessed:
1. As a firefighter, arriving after a shootout, officers order -not ask- me to start CPR. Seeing as this is a reasonable request, I check different people for their pulse & start CPR on a more critical criminal. Two officers chose to tell me I should CPR the officers down & threaten me with murder charges should they die, not even checking anyone's pulse before. Ignoring them, we bickered about it for the whole duration of CPR, & before the medic made it to revive both the officer & the suspect. Even then, the officers tried to get the medic to revive the officer first, which was still not critical.
2. On another day, as Roadcrew, I responded to Main Street after an officer called for a clamped & illegally parked vehicle to be towed. I responded, prepared to tow & had the car on the hook when the owner came, requesting the vehicle to be unclamped so they could drive off, even offered to pay me. I found the request reasonable & decided to oblige, seeing how if the car is gone, the issue is dealt with. At that moment, a Sergeant & another officer interrupted, ordering me to impound the vehicle. When I asked why, the answer was solely that a Sergeant said so. I hence refused until they corrected, stating the car was involved in a crime & that was finally a reason I had to accept. Their goal was solely to punish the player, nothing else & the fact that I dared to question was enough for them to complain once again as I left.
These two are basic examples of officers abusing their powers - even some they don't have - to tr enact power over others. It has nothing to do with serve & protect, a basic conecpt officers should attempt to follow.
Supervisor quality:
Reading through the topic, I can only agree with the issue of the quality of higher ranks in the PLPD. It gives a bad example to other officers, offers no safety net against people beimg shiiter cops or shitter civilians. Those individuals should know their shit, lead by example, and take charge to ensure the best outcome for everyone, including officers, citizens & whoever else may be involved in a situation. But rather, I see Supervisors shutting down criticism, not & refusing accountability. And to make it clear, I mean only Supervisors. Officers to Corporals making such mistakes is, while not ideal, acceptable. Here are two examples:
1. As a road crew, officers asked me to repair their cars. I asked for 500 dollars from them, they obliged & I repaired their vehicle. Directly after, a Staff Sergeant asked for repairs as well. When asked for my pay, they scoffed, telling me I had to do it for free while still paying. I told them I doubt it, but would read up on it & the Staff Sergeant claimed it was a policy. An odd statement, considering for Roadcrew only, Rules & Laws apply. I checked after the situation was over, never finding any statement saying I had to repair anything for free. Telling the Staff Sergeant about it over /rc, I never got an answer, but it could have been easily missed, so I considered it done. It just showed that they not only did not know what applied to whom, but also how they tried to bullshit past their lack of knowledge.
2. As dispatcher, during a shootout at the office, I had assigned almost every officer, including a unit consisting of the only Supervisor, a Sergeant, & a Senior officer, both in heavy gear. From then on, I had only noticed the occasional life alert inside the building, managing other incidents & keeping medical staff ready for once safe. At one point, the Sergeant was unassigned themself wordlessly from the incident, leading to me asking for them twice over the radio & finally pinging them. They noticed, said ping & responded to me, asking why I had done that. I asked about the status of the shootout, which they seemed to have left. Their reason to leave was that sniping was now useless at the moment. My request that they return & take the lead of the still ongoing shoutout was promptly refused, leading to me declaring Code 6 and around 5 more officers dying. When telling them on government radio that I did disapprove of their action, they questioned my knowledge of their status as a sniper, which I did not care for, as they were the sole supervisor on duty. The same shift, a life alert from an officer flashed on my console, to which multiple officers responded & a medic. I checked the camera to confirm, the officer got shot. I took it upon myself to assign the Sergeant unit to the incident, assuming it would be obvious what their role would be in this case. They & their Senior officer, still both in heavy gear, did not see it my way & asked for the reason for the assignment. I then explained to them their status as the only Supervisor unit on duty & that I needed them to ensure a warrant was written. The idea was met with mockery from both officers, such as the Senior officer stating almost word for word: “Don't assign us to such things, we are not medics.” Their behaviour made me livid & I shortly after left service, considering hardly writing an AI on that. I decided the next day & after a good night's sleep, against it, choosing to only write one of I find issue with them again. This incident showed me how bad Supervisors not only make themselves look bad, but also are a terrible example to everyone else, showing a terrible attitude & disregard for duty can just be shown out open.
Personal development:
I have, since those things happened, chosen to start making AIs now on whatever I find done terribly by Supervisors. I concluded that this is the only way to be informed whether or not my beliefs are just not wanted by the PLPD, or if the PLPD simply is not aware of the individual's actions. And I urge you all to do the same.
Dispatch issue:
While not originally part of this, I wanted to add a word on Dispatching. I believe that putting Dispatch Command under Patrol Command is a mistake & nothing happening shows that. I also know why they went that way, as I used to be part of the problem. For years, different people took Command of Dispatch & the quality of many such people had often been non-satisfactory. I am unsure why this curse of Dispatching exists, but I understand that with the history of the division, the measure was an attempt to fix it. But in its current limbo state of not going on, it will only get worse. Removing Dispatching would be a mistake in my honest opinion, with a large new map now more than ever. Instead, the division should be rebuilt & its duties expanded, making it clear they are meant to be communications specialists & developing all communication tactics in the PLPD.
Thanks for reading this mess of thoughts.
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I humbly request 'I want a supervisor' be removed completely. I'm tired of calling a supervisor for every Tom, Dick and Harry I've got dead-to-rights who only wishes to waste my time. Allow me and fellow officers to say 'make an IA' and move on.
Many supervisor sits, especially ones on newer officers are valid and the system does work to an extent. The issue is that people abuse the system and find it funny to scream at new officers and request a supervisor over every small parking ticket when the officer has done nothing wrong. I agree the system does need a small tweak to fix this, but removing it entirely is silly.
A bit of a large exaggeration, obviously it has its' merits, but as it stands it just isn't efficient for what we've got going.
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Speaking on supervisors, an issue I'm seeing a lot recently is that no one above CPL ever patrols with lower ranks.
I'll go on duty to see a ton of command members and supervisors on duty, only to check what unit they're in and I see a unit filled with 5 SGTs+, how is this any good for the PLPD? I get people want to patrol with their friends, but this is borderline ridiculous when newer or lower ranked officers just don't have the opportunity to learn from patrolling with higher ranked members
I'll go on duty to see a ton of command members and supervisors on duty, only to check what unit they're in and I see a unit filled with 5 SGTs+, how is this any good for the PLPD? I get people want to patrol with their friends, but this is borderline ridiculous when newer or lower ranked officers just don't have the opportunity to learn from patrolling with higher ranked members
it seems to me that 7-8 years back the PLPD was much more professional, with police doing much more actual policing, rather than acting as what pretty much is a pvp team today.
i guess it has to do with increased slots resulting in more shootouts. i havent played a lot since the slot increase, but when i have, it's been shootout after shootout after shootout, or even multiple happening at once. everyone yelling over the radio, no actual coordination, no one having any idea whats going on.
don't know what the deal with ia is these days, but back then you'd get ia'd for every sneeze, i'm saying this as potentially one of the most ia'd officers at one point, but maybe that was the reason the police were extremely professional.
it is a game after all and you should get enjoyment out of it. i think there should be freedom for cops to decide what they'd like to be.
i guess it has to do with increased slots resulting in more shootouts. i havent played a lot since the slot increase, but when i have, it's been shootout after shootout after shootout, or even multiple happening at once. everyone yelling over the radio, no actual coordination, no one having any idea whats going on.
don't know what the deal with ia is these days, but back then you'd get ia'd for every sneeze, i'm saying this as potentially one of the most ia'd officers at one point, but maybe that was the reason the police were extremely professional.
it is a game after all and you should get enjoyment out of it. i think there should be freedom for cops to decide what they'd like to be.
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1. people take things too seriously
2. supervisor requests bc u ticketed someone over car parking
3. less focus on general policing, more focus on the shootout (primitive mindsets)
4. did I say people take things too seriously?
5. too many policies, I'm not an actual fed (complaints committee need to take a little chill pill sometimes)
6. too many cycling mikey's around making ia's on their 'bodycam' (in my humble opinion, if I kill them after breaking policy NLR should be in effect and they shouldn't be able to do anything bc rules>policies)
7. some supervisors are incompetent (I apologise if you identify as incompetent)
8. perpheads is game
9. go back to vip+supervisor so i can abuse once again
2. supervisor requests bc u ticketed someone over car parking
3. less focus on general policing, more focus on the shootout (primitive mindsets)
4. did I say people take things too seriously?
5. too many policies, I'm not an actual fed (complaints committee need to take a little chill pill sometimes)
6. too many cycling mikey's around making ia's on their 'bodycam' (in my humble opinion, if I kill them after breaking policy NLR should be in effect and they shouldn't be able to do anything bc rules>policies)
7. some supervisors are incompetent (I apologise if you identify as incompetent)
8. perpheads is game
9. go back to vip+supervisor so i can abuse once again
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nah but fr i get haris, sometimes it feels like the policies are way harsher than rules are, that's why i found it more relaxing to play crim recently, i can easily make back the shit i lose, all the drugs, guns, money, can be returned in quite literally one day just powergrowing/drying, but to get tfu for example it can take a month+, to do the rtfo thingy, and then the big big written exam for tfo and then there's the practical, if you fail once it becomes even longer, same applies to any rank you want, and you can lose it all just by shooting at the wrong person by accident once or someone making an IA over them not losing anything
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I have not had time to read everyone's replies, although the discussion is interesting and helpful and should be used to shape the future of the PD.
I have noticed that Dispatch has been frequently discussed, and the main concern is that it has been largely neglected since being merged into Patrol. If I am being honest, when I first took over Dispatch as Head of Patrol, I had no interest in it and made that clear to SMT. The original plan was just to get rid of any command relating to Dispatch and essentially let people fill out an automatic application, like Officer, to receive the Dispatcher role. This is simply because I attempted to revive Dispatch when I was Head of OS many times, and it would only really stay active for a few months before the command team went inactive, and the overall Dispatch activity dropped with it.
After reading this thread and noting a lot of the issues raised, I will be using this as a starting point to develop the Dispatch division and hopefully get it back up and running smoothly. I do not agree with it having its separate command team, as this has never worked and was just used by individuals to get a free rank without ever actually doing anything with the division.
Instead, I have decided to open recruitment for a Dispatch Staff Sergeant who will be under the Patrol division, still, but will be managing the division as a whole alongside me. Once I have recruited the command member, I will immediately begin working with them to sort the Dispatch division out and hopefully bring significantly more interest to the division. This includes the below:
- Rewriting the Probationary Dispatcher application to make it more difficult so people are required to read and understand the Dispatch resources before joining the role, and hopefully prevents people from joining the role and pointlessly screaming down the radio
- Reopening the Dispatch process, which hasn't been open in years, so people can progress from Probationary Dispatcher by completing various stages. A Senior Dispatcher will be recruited to assist with recruitment and quality control
- A new disciplinary process will be created to help Dispatchers learn if they have been flagged as incompetent for the position, or if they fail to engage with this, they will be removed to ensure the overall standard of Dispatchers is upheld
- Once all of the above has been done, we can then work closely with Development Services to bring new content to the division to keep it fresh and maintain interest.
I am aware people have probably heard it all before, but I am sure you will believe it when you see it! As for all the other issues raised in this post, I think it is more appropriate for the Senior Management team within the PD, and I will let them address the issues.
EDIT: If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to contact me, and I will add them to the list!
I have noticed that Dispatch has been frequently discussed, and the main concern is that it has been largely neglected since being merged into Patrol. If I am being honest, when I first took over Dispatch as Head of Patrol, I had no interest in it and made that clear to SMT. The original plan was just to get rid of any command relating to Dispatch and essentially let people fill out an automatic application, like Officer, to receive the Dispatcher role. This is simply because I attempted to revive Dispatch when I was Head of OS many times, and it would only really stay active for a few months before the command team went inactive, and the overall Dispatch activity dropped with it.
After reading this thread and noting a lot of the issues raised, I will be using this as a starting point to develop the Dispatch division and hopefully get it back up and running smoothly. I do not agree with it having its separate command team, as this has never worked and was just used by individuals to get a free rank without ever actually doing anything with the division.
Instead, I have decided to open recruitment for a Dispatch Staff Sergeant who will be under the Patrol division, still, but will be managing the division as a whole alongside me. Once I have recruited the command member, I will immediately begin working with them to sort the Dispatch division out and hopefully bring significantly more interest to the division. This includes the below:
- Rewriting the Probationary Dispatcher application to make it more difficult so people are required to read and understand the Dispatch resources before joining the role, and hopefully prevents people from joining the role and pointlessly screaming down the radio
- Reopening the Dispatch process, which hasn't been open in years, so people can progress from Probationary Dispatcher by completing various stages. A Senior Dispatcher will be recruited to assist with recruitment and quality control
- A new disciplinary process will be created to help Dispatchers learn if they have been flagged as incompetent for the position, or if they fail to engage with this, they will be removed to ensure the overall standard of Dispatchers is upheld
- Once all of the above has been done, we can then work closely with Development Services to bring new content to the division to keep it fresh and maintain interest.
I am aware people have probably heard it all before, but I am sure you will believe it when you see it! As for all the other issues raised in this post, I think it is more appropriate for the Senior Management team within the PD, and I will let them address the issues.
EDIT: If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to contact me, and I will add them to the list!
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