The PLPD is a joke

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I honestly believe that the PLPD just does not strike fear in people nowadays and this thread gives me the reason for that.

Before people had somewhat more respect for police wasn’t because they had shooters, but they just didn’t have the leniency that the police now has.

Ive been in situations where I am crowbarring a car, an officer drives past me and completely ignores it. When I read this thread I start to see the reason for that. It seems like most officers farm hours/ ORs so they can apply for a higher position without really doing anything except becoming a feature in somebody’s shooting montage.

I don’t even think it’s the PD is fully at fault here, a bigger problem is people getting more and more lazy with their only purpose being farming money.

 

[The Peak]

I honestly believe that the PLPD just does not strike fear in people nowadays and this thread gives me the reason for that.

Before the reason people had somewhat more respect for police wasn’t because they had shooters, but they just didn’t have the leniency that the police now has.

Ive been in situations where I am crowbarring a car, an officer drives past me and completely ignores it. When I read this thread I start to see the reason for that. It seems like most officers farm hours/ ORs so they can apply for a higher position without really doing anything except becoming a feature in somebody’s shooting montage.

I don’t even think it’s the PD is fully at fault here, a bigger problem is people getting more and more lazy with their only purpose being farming money.

It doesn't help with v6, most good tfu have stopped playing cop and gone to crim

 

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It doesn't help with v6, most good tfu have stopped playing cop and gone to crim

It does make sense though the new map is a lot of fun to play on, especially as crim since it has many escape routes, secret passages etc. After some time this problem will probably get fixed by itself.

 

[Inchs]

It doesn't help with v6, most good tfu have stopped playing cop and gone to crim

left with rejects like @Headline

 

[Fexxe]

I personally don't feel the entire server is as bad as you describe. But I understand where you are coming from.
To change this you gotta look at the man in the mirror. I have personally maken the choice as patrol officer to only respond to big shootouts of there is TFU available. And if there are i setup a perimeter and ask other officers to do the same. I find that this has worked well, as if you do it, other people are more likely to follow suit.
Next thing is when I'm driving around I will actually stop people for traffic violations. 90 % of the time the players are totally cool and act such that a small RP scenario can happen, and if not and they start flaming and calling us names ect, I warn them about law 10.1 and that we should all have a civil conversation and that this is simply a consequence of their own actions.

Improvements can always be had in situations relating to big shootouts, and I personally find them not fun as a cop because it's not easy to win a dual with a P99 against an AK-47.

 

[TYMON007]

Yeah as someone who had dealt with complaints for 3 years straight i can confirm that the situation deteriorates.

I personally blame the fact, that 3-5 years ago peoples brains were not overstimulated that much and they were enjoing human interaction. Now it must be all chaos and stimuli or else they gonna get bored and leave.

I like petty crime investigations, I am probably still top 3 in total ORs ever written, and I have the insight needed to judge how the "Professional Standards" are being kept up in the pd. I cant stand moments, where I have to respond from shootout to shootout.

I dont think theres much to be done. There are policies, officers should not deny writing ORs - its their job to do if they are CPL+. Even though i am LT of PSD and i dont have to write ORs, I was approached today randomly, and wrote a guy an OR. Just to do my job and probably help someone else.

But i see that theres no way to influence new officers and force them to do stuff. Even read the policies or properly understand them. We can only make everything harder - applications, certifications etc. but thats not gonna happen.

If there is something it requires everyone to go down and enforce it - all command members, sergeants etc. Either if its ORs, by-the-book traffic stops with actual roleplay, proper investigations where officer use their brains, perimeters, organising raids by planning them and then executing - it has to come from the top down, and be continuosly enforced.

Back in the day doing proper perimeters, and roleplaying was the only way to get promoted. Now people stopped focusing on that, and i have a feeling its mostly after-shootout investigations or raids.

This is just my opinion but believe me, just from the sheer number of tickets being made for PSD to deal with - its obvious that something is going downhill, and its not because V6 was released, as this goes on for months now.

 

[Exnem]

I don’t even think it’s the PD is fully at fault here, a bigger problem is people getting more and more lazy with their only purpose being farming money.

You're right. Part of the problem I've noticed is the fact that the population of the server is much higher, and the barrier of entry is much lower to compensate for the thinly stretched administrative workforce of the PD. And I don't just mean IA, PS or any other division. Supervisors and CPLs too of every division.

I personally blame the fact, that 3-5 years ago peoples brains were not overstimulated that much and they were enjoing human interaction. Now it must be all chaos and stimuli or else they gonna get bored and leave.

My personal stance on this? Fuck them, let them leave. The last week and a half for me has been a total shitshow. Between the constant shootouts and seemingly ignorant general workforce of the on-duty PD sits unprofessional dispatchers- or worse -control freak dispatchers that absolutely demand you play the way they dictate. The PD is not quite how I remember it, and that's in part thanks to the lowered overall requirements.

Applying for SO for me was honestly just as easy as creating an account for steam, and yet I still see people complaining that they failed even that. Seriously, all it takes is the basic capacity for reading and generally some common sense and you've practically passed the app well before you've even started filling it out.

There are policies, officers should not deny writing ORs

This is great and all, if ORs actually reflected the officer in question's ability to logically solve more complex crimes other than shootouts and assaults. As it stands, you can get two ORs for completely irrelevant things and piggyback off of those to make it to SO at the minimum, from which you can snake your way into TFU roles that demand you use some brainpower to solve hostage situations using advance planning and quick thinking. Those two ORs don't necessarily reflect the officer's logic or decision abilities, which result in promotions that thrust unqualified players into positions with more power than they should have.

Having read a bit further down in your reply, I can see that you've addressed this. Oh well, it's written and I won't be undoing it.

But i see that theres no way to influence new officers and force them to do stuff. Even read the policies or properly understand them. We can only make everything harder - applications, certifications etc. but thats not gonna happen.

If you want to raise the quality of the PD, this has to happen. Raising the overall bar of entry into SO+ should be the beginning, with both Traffic and TFU following suit. RTFO feels far too easy to achieve, and SO is even more so. There are significant restrictions on RTFO, understandably so, but even then it genuinely feels like the current requirements will lower quality over time. Personally though, I feel that some of the punishments- save for the most dire ones -should be loosened ever so slightly for mundane infringements on-duty. I don't have a frame of reference to the current way IA handles things these days, but I know that in the past that IA was borderline horrifying to receive notices from considering how long it can take to get anywhere.

its obvious that something is going downhill, and its not because V6 was released

Correct, this has been an issue that has slowly been snowballing over time, pushed on by the changes to both how promotions work and the lowered bar of entry to roles that really should have a higher one. I saw these signs back in 2022 and in 2023, with more and more sweater cops signing up, and with each one, the quality of these officers gradually decreased as time passed. At this point, every time I'm on duty, most people behave like sweater cops, and most supervisors, including some command members barely act like their rank. A lot of the time, they're entirely mute or isolated and engage in the most simple things, same as the lower ranked officers.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen SGT+ actually act their station in the time I've been back, but it has become much rarer.

I have a significant gap between 2023 and 2025 PD, which makes it easy for me to tell the difference- compared to someone who has been here since then and only seen gradual change, which is somewhat harder to notice when it's so gradual.
But, take what I say with a grain of salt. I don't feel like I have been back long enough to put together a complete picture, but this is my new first impression of this version of the PD.

Don't get me wrong, I know it's meant to be a game, but at some point this server just stops being roleplay and more of a team deathmatch with extra steps. Moreso now than previously.

Maybe my perception has changed, I don't know, but things feel different with the PD specifically. With the rest of the server it doesn't really feel all that bad, but I also don't engage much with the illegal side.

I really don't think anything here will change, as my desired outcome from any of this is that the gamemode slows down to some degree, to make the overall server more manageable. Having four major shootouts going on in every corner of the map at once is far too much to demand from the PD.

 

[Fexxe]

I wonder if this is an age thing? With fear of sounding lile an old fart, most if not all the people who freak out for being stopped for road offences for example or other valid reason for being stopped, are very young kids by the sound of their high pitched voices.

People should of course be able to make complaints against an officer, but if the system gets abused to make complaints about trivial stuff or actual normal police incidents then I feel like there should be consequences for that player.

 

[TYMON007]

I have a significant gap between 2023 and 2025 PD

If you want to raise the quality of the PD, this has to happen.

So basically in this gap everything was made easier - application, promotion process, TFU cert, It was successively made easier, and this whole situation might be a result of that. That's why i said that its probably not going to happen.

I always had my stance on that, along with other members of the pd, however under pressure of the server ownership, some applications were made easier.

I do not know honestly, who is the majority now though, they(server ownership) might have the data about this - us, people who roleplay, take stuff seriously, dedicate a lot of time and effort, or casual "police vs criminal" RP players, that are here for the epic sigma shootouts with killstreaks and then the burden of the suspects that were unfortunately revived, and have to be speedrun any% dealt with because theres 2 more shootout calls to respond to and they have to show their "tactical skill/knowledge" there which is muscle memory and aim.

I don't like it, I dont like changes, but I understand I might be in the minority of people. I will be doing my job in the PSD, a job that I can do and I've been doing for years now. When on duty, I will do stuff my way, slowly and thorougly, so maybe some officer looks at me and thinks "wow that dude just roleplayed his way out of this situation and it was really cool" and takes it as an example.

BUT one more thing I want to mention, is that suspects are also starting to behave more like complete melts, which doesn't help as new officers cannot be expected to calmly and professionally deal with an idiot who starts yelling into the microphone, worsening his own, and everyone elses situation.

Maybe rules are the way to go here? Forcing people to behave like human beings not 10-91s shouting, micspamming and having meltdowns whenever they are facing a 750$ jaywalking tickets? Or even better - getting arrested over valid 9.5 warrants?

What should be the right direction? Turning the PD back to it's roleplay roots where officers are expected to be able to perform a by-the-book traffic stop to get promoted to SO? Allowing the lower quality officers to get promoted based on lower-quality supervisors writing lower-quality ORs from shootout grade ORs?

I lost my mind today, when I witnessed a situation, where a new player mayor was giving out "mayoral pardons" to serious criminals, and some lower ranking cops were listening to him and letting suspect out of the PD uncuffed. I can not imagine something like that happening 1-2 years ago.

 

[SomeUser]

Maybe rules are the way to go here? Forcing people to behave like human beings not 10-91s shouting, micspamming and having meltdowns whenever they are facing a 750$ jaywalking tickets? Or even better - getting arrested over valid 9.5 warrants

THIS TY FOR SAYING SOMETHING
i feel like the dynamic between citizens and PD has shifted to hostage or get me a supervisor / give your badge number, like legit 5 mins ago I was responding to a tidal raid when on the left i see someone by a van, after the raid was over i mentioned my suspicion to the suspect as that would have been where they where transporting drugs and all he mentioned during how i was lying and give me your badge number. When i have someone standing there in a situation on clip looking like a melon during a shootout like what am i supposed to think bruh

Im sure @Acerius can weigh in somewhat about the strain it makes IA go through in some respect i would also appreciate the insight into it, however i feel like its more of a challenge to make idiots stop acting this way, the quality of RP has heavily declined, like i orchestrated a hostage situation the other day with a bunch of my org and allys and imma be honest i did not even want to do it in the end it just felt so pointless or the countless “I have an impact nade release him or die” situations you like dude really you have done this a million times non of have worked

Its sad honestly it makes me not want to play perp is the first RP server I have played on full stop like nothing else before as i joined because of @Scoot and thing is its just become whos the best esporter thats tweaking on Adderall

My TLDR is if your going to behave like a toddler go right ahead however dont ruin it for others

 

[TYMON007]

how i was lying and give me your badge number

Tell me more

I fortunately have the power to mute somone, as I had a supervisor request to a miscspamming, shouting, cursing feller, that noone was able to speak over, he was shouting how he didnt know why he was getting arrested, that he will make IAs and he clipped everything, and when i finally decided to mute him, the officer just explained to me, that he punched someone else and he caught him red-handed.

Afterwards he made a report, where he was asking why he was muted as noone spoken to him about it. I think you can draw your own conclusions.

And iirc theese people dont even have the new player tags, and they probably know what theyre doing...

 

[HuskyD0G]

I wonder if this is an age thing? With fear of sounding lile an old fart, most if not all the people who freak out for being stopped for road offences for example or other valid reason for being stopped, are very young kids by the sound of their high pitched voices.

People should of course be able to make complaints against an officer, but if the system gets abused to make complaints about trivial stuff or actual normal police incidents then I feel like there should be consequences for that player.

Internal affairs is already cracking down on abusive/maliciously made complaints. There’s even been an official policy made surrounding this. When I served my time in command I was always pushing for punishing those who abuse the system.

 

[Pufferfish]

Hello everybody, I am here once again to give my unsolicited opinion on the forums.

This one's been brewing in my brain creases for a while. I was a part of the PLPD when we first started making the full move to PLPD online (ask any IA investigator about the spreadsheet, it was traumatising,) and I've noticed that the quality of officers has seriously deteriorated.

I want to make it clear, by no means is this the fault of any specific member of the department. All command members work for free to help run this thing and I'm grateful there are still people dedicated to the project. This is, in my opinion, just a part of a wider problem.

Firstly, let's talk observation reports. They're ineffective at actually judging the effectiveness of any officer. A majority of the time, an officer who wants one can barely even get a corporal+ who's interested in writing one. I've heard "I've already done 2 this month" more often than I could count. There is no ability to recognise officers for a single act of good policing. Back in my day, we had commendations, which were able to be issued for either a single notable act or an entire patrol. I feel these should be brought back, in conjunction with patrol reports, so that CPL+ isn't so "burderened" by the horrors of writing observation reports.

The main issue I have is that all cops are way too shootout hungry. Officers will literally drop anything they're responding to if a shootout comes up, leading to a lack of actual decent policing and just a constant TDM between police and zerg criminals. Only a handful of officers both enforcing traffic laws, and barely anyone can roleplay for shit. It's all just measuring what you can do against policy and as soon as an arbritrary policy threshold is crossed, doing that thing. The radio is basically just people screaming over each other about the latest shootout and nobody could give a shit about anything less. A lot of the time, TFO are essentially permanently geared in some form, and will never deal with anything except a shootout. What's the point in being a police officer if you don't do any actual police work?

There's seldom any tactical thought put into anything either. Pistol cops are so hungry to be the one to get the kill that they rush into properties and get shot before even firing a bullet. Breaches are predictable and sluggish and nobody holds a perimeter anymore.

The PLPD was never perfect, but we used to have a lot more officers who cared about the little things. Who would be reasonable and try to roleplay as somebody who actually valued their life. Supervisors used to carry authority and actually cared about the behaviour of lower ranked officers.

The whole culture feels like it's shifted. There's probably no solution, because this isn't just a police problem, but rather a wider issue with the quality of roleplay on the server.

Idk, rant over, thank you for coming to my ted talk.

if im honest i think the biggest joke was the huge promotion wave where like 30+ people got corporal and straight to sergeant, Just made alot of sergeants less reliant on the need to do supervisor sits because there is always like 6 sergeants on duty than when sergeants mess up its because they have had practically no experience. IMO i think if there was less sergeants and more corporals things like supervisor sits would be done more accurately by more experienced sergeants, this is one of the things i just believe is a big issue too with the PLPD.

 

[Tony Montanna]

I feel like a Lot of cops have a superiority complex that makes Them ultra fixated on Not letting anyone get away with anything.
Especially the gunpoint thing, like if you do something slightly illegal, every cop insta gp’s you in Order for you to put your Hands up so you have no Chance of escaping. Then you get put into a car, no words being said, and then they jail you for the Maximum they are allowed to.

I also remember a cop sitting by a subs house with binoculars, trying to catch anyone getting into their car from storage with a pistol.
Then he would Chase you down, and as your not allowed to flee from cops because Thats not worth the risk apparently, he would gp you out your car, confiscate your weapon, ticket you and let you go, with almost no talking

 

[Goonsberg]

I think PD quality dropped when slots increased from 64 to 128.

The current build just doesn’t work for the player count, you either have barely any cops unable to respond to anything or you have an entire army all responding to the same situation.

PD peaked when player count was 32 at peak back in like 2019….